Solving For Joy

Chrissie Ott MD (00:00)
Some of us become very, very good at being useful. We care for people, we solve problems, we anticipate what others need, and sometimes we become so practiced at serving that we stop asking whether the way we're giving actually feels like us. So, what happens when we begin paying attention to the language underneath all of that? The shoulds, the have-tos.

the they need me's and what might become possible if service came from choice, authenticity, and joy instead. This is what we're getting curious about today with my wonderful friend Alejandra Siroca.

Chrissie Ott (00:46)
You're listening to Solving for Joy. I'm your host, Dr. Chrissie Ott, a multi-boarded integrative physician and professional certified life and career coach.

Chrissie Ott (00:55)
This

podcast is about joy, what it means, how we find it, and the creative ways people are solving for it in their

Chrissie Ott (01:02)
own lives.

I'm so glad you're here.

Chrissie Ott, MD (01:05)
Alejandra is a transformative communication teacher and coach, the founder of Language Alchemy, and host of the Language Alchemy Podcast. She is in the midst of publishing her first book entitled Language Alchemy, which comes out in November. And she has devoted her life to studying and teaching how language and communication shape lives and relationships. I wanted to have this conversation with her.

Because I think that Alejandra's work is a beautiful demonstration of joyful service. I think of joyful service as finding the gift you have for the world and then finding a way to give it that pleases you and pleases others. As I've been thinking about this, I've become more curious about how language intersects with this and how our communication skills.

could benefit from a closer look. Alejandra's also a very dear friend and spiritual community member to me and close to my heart for many years. Alejandra, thank you so much for joining me and welcome to the podcast.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (02:08)
Thank you for having me, Chrissy. It's wonderful to be here with you.

Chrissie Ott, MD (02:12)
you. I would love, as I often do, to introduce people to the person behind the work a little bit more. So as somebody who I have just announced embodies joyful service, tell me, you know, your background is quite unique. I'd love to know a little bit about how you came to realize that communication was your life's work.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (02:36)
Hm. Yes, you know, I for all the listeners, my particular accent comes from a combination of Spanish is my first language. I'm originally from Argentina, from small town in the north of Argentina called Salta, that is very touristy. It's called Salta the Beautiful. So there are tourists from all over the world who come and visit.

And from the time I was young, I remember one of my first memories leaving my hand my mom's hand running to talk to these people who looked different. They were holding giant maps, they had hats, and they were just like so intriguing to me. And I said hello in Spanish or something, or what are you doing? I was a very curious child, only to find out that they didn't speak Spanish. And

From that moment there was this awareness that, I wanna connect with them. I wanna talk to them, but we can't because we have a different language. Fast forward, I did learn different languages. I learned English first. I started learning English when I was five, German when I was twelve, Italian when I was fifteen, Portuguese

a little later on and at some point in my life in my early twenties I was fluent and multilingual and I did work with all those languages.

Fast forward in my twenties, there's something else I want to share. I came from a family at that time both of my parents were in their 40s when they had me.

They both came from big families, seven kids each. And every Christmas whether it was our our home or somebody else's home, I was told, don't talk to these aunts. You can talk to this uncle. we are not saying hello to those cousins. And when I would inquire why, the answer was because they said and there was something, some language they had used.

either about my parents or about other aunts or uncles, and therefore we had to be divided and because of these words, then we could have no connection even though we were all there at a big family gathering. So I started paying attention to this beautiful, magnificent, enigmatic, mysterious thing called language that can hurt.

that can disconnect, that can divide family, especially after hearing growing up, thousands of times family is the most important thing and we value family. However, just some words that someone said meant, well, we value family, but not right now. You you're not allowed to say hello. Not this part. Fast forward when I was in my mid twenties, I was finishing

university and I came back home. My grandmother had passed away and I went to the funeral home with my mom. Everything had everybody had left. It was the end of the of the night. I went to the restroom and I came back and I found my mother who was kneeling next to the open casket. She had taken her mother's hand, put it on her head. So my grandmother's hand

was on my mother's head. And my mother was talking to my grandmother and she was saying, Can you please tell me you love me?

And at that moment I made a promise to myself that I will not have anybody in my life whom I love not know how I feel about them. My own mother didn't know she was loved by her mother because she never heard her mother say those words. Fortunately, she did say those words to me, so she didn't pass that down.

But language for me became this quest of relating and finding why is it that words are so powerful. While I was at the university, I had a linguistics professor who had us bring definitions of language, and we all brought these very lofty definitions of the latest linguists and the well-known

Linguist of the past. And after we read all these definitions, she sighed and said, Have you ever thought that language is a way to look at reality? Well, that question, I am still in love with that question. That question changed the trajectory of my studies because then my question was, what is reality? And

If one language is a way to look at reality, another language is a different way to look at the same reality from a different angle. And then my personal question became do we relate to reality differently because of how we look at it? So far my answer is yes.

Let me give you a quick example. We were talking, you and I, I invited you to my podcast, the Language Alchemy Podcast, and we were having a conversation about the language of what a physician can write on a chart about a patient. Patient non compliant, difficult or delightful failed to Yes, or delightful or

doesn't follow treatment or or well informed that language that we write those very few words there may be five six words that we wrote some adjectives some nouns some verbs they will determine how we're going to show up to the next appointment when we see someone as delightful

Our body is gonna prepare for that. And we're going to maybe open the door or click on telehealth appointment and say, Hi, it's so good to see you. We we are already preparing ourselves for the continuation the co-creation of delight. We're gonna relate to them in an open, warm way. Our bodies are gonna be more relaxed.

We're gonna give them more space, like maybe even ten more seconds to tell us a story, even though it may not be related to the health issue we are considering. Now, when we look at a patient and we see that on the chart we wrote noncompliant, difficult, do you think we're gonna show up with that sense of joy? No.

Chrissie Ott, MD (09:12)
Yeah.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (09:15)
Exactly.

Yes. Contracted. And we are going to perhaps wanna do things as efficiently as possible. So very quickly. And maybe we will not hear some part of their story or information that is valuable that we need to in order to support them and help them on their journey, on their health journey. So depending on

That simple language that we may even have that maybe we wrote six months ago is already impacting how we're relating the people we're serving. So

Chrissie Ott, MD (09:52)
Yes,

so powerful.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (09:54)
Yes,

I made it my journey and my devotion and my dedication in life to study how language through communication impacts our relationships and our lives.

Chrissie Ott, MD (10:08)
Alejandra, I love that you use the word quest because it does feel quest like. Like it's an epic journey that began here and has had many twists and turns and is, you know, culminating in the current moment.

with a book that you get contribute to the world with a lot of your beautiful expertise and care funneled into it. I also care so much about language as you know and when I engage with a communication partner who is highly skillful, highly discerning with their word usage, I love it when they're even, more so than I am so that I can learn.

I just get so lit up with excitement. because it's like we have gone from using these huge brushes that you might like like put on the side of a house to these teeny tiny fine brushes where we can apply

infinitesimal detail to what we're trying to say. We can change the tense of a word or the active passive form of a verb or the temporal descriptor of a, you know, reality. All of this speaks to my heart and brain in such a magnificent enlivening way.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (11:29)
Mm. I'm so grateful. And I'm so grateful that you really understand this and embody this. You do. You do. Thank you.

Chrissie Ott, MD (11:39)
I I strive to embody it.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (11:41)
Yeah, and that's the beauty of language. You know, I was talking about the the power that language can have to separate, destroy, to break us apart, to break our hearts. And on the other side, language has the power to heal, to move to transform. Yes. To bring us together, to connect, to have empathy, compassion, and to invite us to do things that

We had never considered doing to

Chrissie Ott, MD (12:14)
I'm thinking of an example of a a rather dramatic relationship rupture that happened in our history back in 2011. And you know, the details don't matter, just know that it was a a couple, friend couple who we were very, very close to. and there was a rupture that was somewhat unexpected, and I had a lot of thoughts about how it was unfair and not right, and it was a it was a big pain, a a big injury.

To my psyche. And this past year, one of the people in that couple reached out with the right language to regard, you know, this happened, I'm not proud of how I showed up, and I just wanted to, you know, come come for some closure and some peace.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (12:59)
Wow. Yeah. Yes, and what you're talking about is what I call the language of repair. And repair is so important that I devoted a whole chapter to repair in my book. Most of us don't know how to repair these relationships well. We have been taught to have a common what what I call a common apology, which is I'm sorry.

And then we give an explanation of our good intention. Yes. Even though the person we're apologizing to is the person we skillfully and skillfully and t unintentionally or unconsciously hurt. But now we are giving the we're taking the mic and saying now you should listen to my good intentions, even though you're hurt and heartbroken, angry, frustrated.

Whatever because of what

Yes, and when we do that we create an unhealthy power dynamic in which now the other person who's hurt has to hear our case, which is more rational and some we use more verbs than feeling words and connection words and so we make our case and then the other person has to rule. They they need to be the judge and bestow forgiveness or

Say I'll think about it or even worse, say that's fine when it is not fine.

Chrissie Ott, MD (14:34)
my gosh, and either betray themselves or really it's mostly that. Just like betray what might be real for them in the moment in order to

Alejandra Siroka, MA (14:44)
While holding it

Chrissie Ott, MD (14:45)
play the cultural game of this is what we do when somebody says they're sorry.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (14:48)
Exactly. While sometimes holding a grudge that then comes out later or resentment can grow. And what I propose is something different. To have a repair conversation. To have a repair conversation is first not to say anything out loud but to reflect. How did my words or actions may have impacted the other person? And then can I be curious about that impact?

Then I come back and I say, I did X or I didn't do X, and I'm wondering, how is that for you? And we open with an acknowledgement of our actions or inactions, what we said or didn't say. We have curiosity about the impact. And then when the other person tells us, yeah, that was really frustrating. I didn't expect that, or I was baffled.

You threw me under the bus or whatever it is that they say, then we can respond with like, from your perspective, I threw you under the bus. I betrayed you. You felt frustrated. And we keep honoring the space. So we who are initiating a repair conversation, we're coming with a mic and offering it as a gift to the other person rather than in the

in this common apology that we have learned, which we come with a mic and we hold on to the mic and we only give it as a okay, what's your verdict? Do you forgive me or not? You know?

Chrissie Ott, MD (16:19)
that's really rich. I'm thinking about, you know, a recent communication where we we had been out of touch for a bit and you initiated a like a a mini repair based on that. And I'm I'm very aware of how you communicate, of course, as a student of communication and an admirer of yours and student of yours. and I was like, This is like two and a half standard deviations.

beyond anything that I would expect at all. And also like how beautiful the consciousness and the awareness that Alejandra is devoting to our relationship in offering this acknowledgement of non communication for a little bit of time. I mean, it was n really like not impactful in that I had no expectation, but your care in even such a small situation is just

You know, it is a beautiful expression of your embodiment of this force.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (17:11)
Thank you. Thank you, Christy. And I think that's the most important thing. Communication, know, there are so many books out there and so many approaches that teach effective communication, which is more about how do I get what I want and say the quote unquote right thing so that I get the outcome, the goal that I'm the agenda that I'm seeking here in this conversation. And then I move on. I think care, love

Connection, joy, our values is what needs to carry the intention to repair rather than a particular formula, even if I don't get what I want. Even if you when I reached out to you to initiate a repair conversation with you and ask how was it for you? You haven't heard from me in a while. Even if you had said to me, know, I'm so upset with you, I'm so disappointed in you.

I don't want to talk to you for three months or a year, then I would have known, okay, that's the impact. Thank you. You let me know what the impact is.

Chrissie Ott, MD (18:15)
And now we could deal with what it's to you. Yeah.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (18:18)
Exactly. Yeah. And when you're ready we can have a conversation if if you are ready. Mm-hmm. But there's no formula for action.

Chrissie Ott, MD (18:27)
Very little modeling

of that. how wonderful that there will be more in the world from from the point of publication on. I

Alejandra Siroka, MA (18:36)
Yes.

Chrissie Ott, MD (18:37)
believe it, I believe it, I believe it.

it reminds me of another communication I had with a dear friend this morning who has decided, you know, to to reduce her attendance at this gathering, the physician coaching summit that I'm hosting. She needs to leave early and

You know, she needed to communicate that to me, knowing that it would not be my favorite information to hear. it was so beautiful to hear us discuss it because I really honor that she's making a choice that's right for her. And I was able to just say, know, it's not my preferred reality, but I am well equipped to deal with my less preferred versions of reality and I would love as much of you as you are able to comfortably offer. I'm disappointed, of course, but I'm not in that's all.

I that's it. I I wish it were this other way. I also trust

Alejandra Siroka, MA (19:27)
Yes, And that has to do also with having positive regard for people and their intention. Most of us do not wake up and and when I say most of us, I think of ninety nine point nine percent of human beings do not wake up in the morning saying, I am going to screw someone's day. I'm gonna make it difficult for the people in my life.

Chrissie Ott, MD (19:49)
Yeah.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (19:49)
Most of us do not do that.

It's a minute amount of us who may have those intentions but most of us don't. And if we could just remember that one of the greatest phrases or that sometime has become a mantra for many of my clients is you're not giving me a hard time, you are having a hard time. Yeah. And you're just

Telling me that in the way you say that, defensiveness, shutting down, ghosting, not communicating. okay, you're just telling me you're having a hard time. Okay.

Chrissie Ott, MD (20:27)
Yes. It's a very compassionate perspective. So to bring this important life's work of yours into a lens of joyful service, I just I would love to know where your brain goes with that concept. How is this joyful service to you?

Alejandra Siroka, MA (20:44)
Well, first of all it goes to values. I know that your audience are healers and physicians and people who want to contribute to the life of others. Mm-hmm. When you connect to why are you doing what you're doing? Not necessarily why do you have your next appointment or why is your calendar, you know, filled with three sessions, but rather

Why are you doing this work? If you could connect to the values that are important to you, inevitably you are going to feel a sense of joy emanating from you because you are contributing to this precious and diverse human family. And your contribution is going to ripple out in ways that you don't know. It could be after

the session or the appointment they had with you. Because how they show up with the next person, with a family member, with their coworker, is going to be impacted by how you showed up with them. And so for me, when I think of joy, I think of this contribution I want to make to our beautiful and diverse human family of bringing forth

More joy, more compassion, more love, more equity, more equality to every single human being that I can connect to so that they can they can do that for others and in generations to come. I think of sometimes I have this intention, may I become the ancestor that future generations can feel grateful for. They don't have to know my name, but may they may they feel grateful.

That there were some ancestors who were shifting how we were communicating, not through an old paradigm of domination, control and fear and power over others, but really finding compassion when we're upset, finding openness when we wanna shut down, finding kindness when we're feeling impatient. Yes.

Chrissie Ott, MD (22:52)
This is a little bit of a jag, but something that you said made me think about language in sales copy. And

Alejandra Siroka, MA (22:58)
Mm-hmm.

Chrissie Ott, MD (22:59)
how how we use language to manipulate, also to inspire action, depending on one's perspective and what it is that you are hoping to engage an audience with.

Do you have f formed opinions about the intentional use of certain kinds of language in that?

Alejandra Siroka, MA (23:19)
Absolutely. Yes, and so much so that I devoted a podcast episode to the language of marketing and in my podcast, the Language Alchemy Podcast, and I talk there about for example the use of terms like VIP. Are you a very important person because you have more dollars towards something? Or

Can every single person you serve be an important person? But maybe you have different services, you have added services that will require more time and therefore, you know, they will pay you differently for that. But why do we call someone a VIP just because they have more dollars? You know, that comes from a capitalist society and way of relating to reality.

That we relate to human beings that way. You're important, you're not that important. also this language of urgency and scarcity. Of course, yes, my book is coming November 10th, and I would love the whole world to pre-order it because if you buy it before November 10th, that will secure a second edition.

And that will put the word the the book in airports and the ideas will travel and the message will spread. Of course I want that. And at the same time, I don't want to say, this book will only cost this amount until November 10th. One because it's not true. So it's not in alignment with integrity.

Chrissie Ott, MD (24:53)
Value. Yes.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (24:54)
Yes, you you will be able to have access to this book after November 10th as well.

And whenever it feels good for you to read it, that's when it's gonna be most beneficial for you. Having that sense of I think it's not just like trust, but having that understanding that we don't need to use a manipulative language of scarcity. Now of course we have deadlines. You have a summit coming up and you need to secure a venue and

you are securing speakers and all kinds of things and logistics and to honor that you need to know by a certain date how many people are coming. Of course, that's completely valid. But that's not the same as using this language of scarcity that it has to happen now. You need to you need to do it because if you don't then you know you're gonna miss out. Something terrible will happen in your life. Do we know that?

Can we say that for certain?

Chrissie Ott, MD (25:57)
Yeah. Ex it feels exploitative and that is not an alignment for me. You talked about the joy in this work for you and immediately went to meaning and alignment with values, which are two of the three components that I sing every day about joy. Meaning, alignment, and then very importantly delight.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (26:17)
Yeah.

Chrissie Ott, MD (26:18)
but meaning and alignment are so crucial for there to be a grounded sense of joy that's not just gratification.

so thank you for saying

Alejandra Siroka, MA (26:26)
Some of the

Chrissie Ott, MD (26:26)
yes. And then being of service is, you know, authentically mission driven, which, you know, I know you obviously to be through and through.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (26:36)
And you know, when we communicate with authenticity, and by the way, authent the the the word authenticity, the etymology of that word me is the same etymology as author. So to be authentic is to communicate as the author of our own communication, not necessarily repeating patterns and habits that we have inherited from previous generations and old paradigms that

no longer service and that are harmful for

Chrissie Ott, MD (27:05)
Yeah.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (27:05)
us in and others. But when we are communicating authentically, what we have is not just good relationships. We have meaningful relationships. So that meaning that you were talking about is there. And when you are able to have a meaningful relationship, that's what I coach the multicultural couples I work with and the families I work with and the groups I work with.

How do we communicate to have meaningful relationships? Because when we do, we are able to have any kind of conversation through dialogue and maintain the sense of safety and connection for all of us. Now it goes beyond like, did that conversation go right or wrong? It goes to how is how am I tending to the relationship between us? Because we know that

The more meaningful our relationships are, more relaxed we're going to be, the more available we're going to be, the more open we're going to be, because we know that there's a web of interconnectedness and we are going to be supported, we're going to have what we need, we're going to have the capacities that we need, and others as well. So, for example, this morning I had a meeting with my team.

And because from the from the very beginning of working together we have established our values and what was meaningful in our professional relationship, I shared that I was feeling anxious about the book launch and some activities and tasks that I needed to do. And immediately someone from the team said, I want my contribution to language alchemy to help you.

feel more relaxed so that people can hear this message and really get the richness of it. And this is how we talk about in our meetings. You know? And so then that was like, let me test take these tasks off your hand. We're going to create these graphics or whatever that we were working with. And it was so joyful to come out of that meeting and feel like

I have this support and I have a meaningful relationship with my team.

Chrissie Ott, MD (29:19)
that is so beautiful. Yes, I'm thinking about our dear Kelsey who is a producer of this podcast and my right hand person in so many ways. And

Alejandra Siroka, MA (29:31)
Mm-hmm.

Chrissie Ott, MD (29:32)
it is it is so deepening to have a meaningful and values connected relationship, in one's work life and team. So

Thank you. Thank you, Kelsey. Thank you, Alejandra's team for doing that.

bringing us back to joyful service, the other side of joyful service is of course not so joyful service, which is when we kind of dip into the land of martyrdom or doing things repeatedly that we do not enjoy or we're not aligned with.

I bet that you could say a few things about what that's like as well.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (30:11)
Yes, so sometimes we may accept a patient, a client, and because we need to and not necessarily because they may be in complete alignment with what we're offering. That may happen. So first of all, we need to know why we're doing that. Sometimes it may it is it out of fear? And if so

work a little bit with that so that we can show up with that client, that patient with complete availability. and sometimes at the end of the day we realize, wow, the day was really hard. The sessions, the the appointments were were difficult. Or, you know, I didn't communicate with clarity, or I lost my patience. My compassion was

Nowhere to be found, maybe three miles away from me. What happened? Well, in those moments it's useful to know to have a context for okay, how did this happen rather than why did this happen? maybe I felt maxed out today, maybe I didn't eat well, maybe I had a very bad night, I didn't sleep well.

Because of my schedule, because of family, because my cats woke me up, whatever it is. maybe I was rushing. And now I can look at, okay, what can I learn from this? And if we ask ourselves, you know, if I could go back in time and I could have had a little bit of space, what would I have told myself in that moment? Maybe it was like just slow down, take three breaths.

Maybe it was like grab a banana on your way out home, you know, before you get in the car. maybe it was if you have a partner, wake your partner up and say, You tonight, honey, you take care of, you know, our child tonight or something that could have supported you. Okay, now you are

More equipped for next time, you have more tools for next time to have the resources you need. But when we go into why did I do this? And we have this internal dialogue of like not again, did this again, I showed up in this way, I was so impatient. And we are devoting a lot of internal dialogue to that self-criticism. We're not learning anything, we're just rehashing something

Mostly what we're doing is we're reacting to a past behavior that is already gone.

Chrissie Ott, MD (32:55)
Yes, as our teacher Jennifer Baldwood says, problem with seeing the reruns like that is that you're still paying full price.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (33:04)
Yes, exactly. Yes. Yes. And and I think something else that Jennifer Willwood says that I have really taken to heart is that you cannot really help someone transform or heal if you don't know how to love them. So even those patients, those clients that, you know, maybe you have a difficult appointment with them, maybe you have a difficult session with them.

Can you learn how to love them? Can you learn what what would it take to have love? And when I say love, you know, I'm not talking about romantic love. I'm talking about just a sense of appreciation, a sense of gratitude, a sense of simple acknowledgement. That's a form of love, of being of service to their health. Or maybe you consider, you know.

I I work with many couples and sometimes they when they're having big conflicts and arguments, I think about their children. And I don't know their children, but I already feel so a lot of love for them and think, we're doing this for your children. And that can give you that that inner resource of love that we need to truly help others.

Chrissie Ott, MD (34:23)
Beautiful. for our listeners who are

Just eager to learn more. I want them to find you. Obviously, the Language Alchemy Podcast is a beautiful place to start. but I wonder if we could also make make a practical offering for our listeners. If someone listening was ready to become more aware of the language or communication habits that they are currently embodying.

what would you invite them to notice or to practice this week?

Alejandra Siroka, MA (34:55)
Beautiful. So before you leave your home, before you start work, think about just one person you're going to see that day and consider how would you like to show up with that person. It may be I want to show up with authenticity or I want to show up with kindness or patience or I want to show up with empathy or compassion.

or with integrity, transparency, whatever it may be. And then before you come back home or be or at the end of your workday or at the end of the day, if it was maybe a family member or someone you live with, just consider how if you had, let's say if it's a family member, maybe you had 30 conversations with them, little, you know, little things, even if it's about logistics.

Chrissie Ott, MD (35:47)
Hey, could you bring up some more paper towels from the basement?

Alejandra Siroka, MA (35:51)
Exactly. Exactly. How did I show up in alignment with what I said I with my intention, with my value? And in which ways could I increase? Not how did I not show up, but in which ways could I increase my capacity for kindness or patience or whatever it is that you connected to? That is already going to put your awareness, your mind on

Considering your communication. And the more aware we are about our communication, the more we're going to show up in alignment with our values and our communication will transform. Most of us are not aware of our communication. It's like the air we breathe. We're not aware of our air. When we're breathing or our breath, same thing goes for communication. I

supported thousands of people and they tell me lots of things about how other people in their lives communicate. But when I ask them, how about you? What are your reactive patterns like? I'm like, I I don't know. But my boss, my co-worker, my partner, my in-law, my kid, like

Chrissie Ott, MD (37:01)
Don't me on the hot seat.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (37:03)
Mm-hmm. Yes. So just this simple practice. How do you want to show up in the morning? And then consider how much in alignment did I show up with that value that was important for me, that intention. And if not, how can I increase it?

Chrissie Ott, MD (37:20)
That is a wonderful invitation.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (37:22)
Thank you.

Chrissie Ott, MD (37:23)
Thank you so much for being here, Alejandra. Is there more that needs to be said?

Alejandra Siroka, MA (37:29)
no, well yes. The language we speak is a language we have learned, and that is the good news. We can learn to speak another kind of language, the language that's more of our heart, nobody else's, of our mind, nobody else's, of our whole body, of our different multilayered identities and levels of culture and nobody else's.

And that voice, that authentic voice, matters and needs to be heard. And we can all learn how to do it.

Chrissie Ott, MD (38:07)
Thank you so much. Thank you for being of joyful service in your particular way.

Alejandra Siroka, MA (38:13)
Mm. Thank you. Thank you, Chrissy.

Chrissie Ott MD (38:16)
Thank you again for being with us, dear listeners. In this exploration of Alejandra's version of joyful service, it is my deepest wish that any and all of my work around joy eventually land in the hearts of people who transform that into the way that they particularly want to be of joyful service to this world. If you are

circling around an idea, let meaning, alignment, and delight be your guide. Let joy be your compass and find your way to that which is yours to do with joy.

Chrissie Ott MD (38:54)
I'll see you next time.